So who is lying here? And whose report will you believe??
Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
So, the President Elect says that he is against gay marriage in public, (but for 'civil union') but then tells ‘Bishop’ Gene Robinson that he is for equal civil rights for gay people. Who is lying, Mr. Obama or Mr. Robinson?
Mind you, this is not a semantics argument. Marriage is, according to the gay community, and every court that has ruled on it so far, a 'civil right', so clearly Mr. Obama did, (if he did say these things), by choosing those words, voice his clear support of gay marriage, adoption et al.
This does make sense in that the United Church of Christ (UCC) boasts among its 'firsts' :
1972: Ordination of first openly gay minister
The UCC's Golden Gate Association ordains the first openly gay person as a minister in a mainline Protestant denomination: the Rev. William R. Johnson. In the following three decades, General Synod urges equal rights for homosexual citizens and calls on congregations to welcome gay, lesbian and bisexual members.
So after 20 years of UCC doctrine and black liberation theology and Lord knows what else for good measure, Mr. Obama’s theological positions are, to be mild, ‘less than Christian’ (see my previous post ‘Will an Obama presidency close your church?’ For more about this) despite his claims.
Does this make him a hypocrite? Possibly, though more likely, he has been mis-educated about the faith he professes. That is the fault of the Pastors and preachers that he has been exposed to.
This is important brethren, for a plethora of reasons, not the least of which is as I have been saying; the long term ramifications on the church as we know it, of an Obama Presidency. This for me is not about Barack Obama personally, and not about Homosexuality per se.
But it is about the lack of a Biblical worldview in the church, and the resultant blindness, the real depth of which has yet to be seen.
If I am:
· Shouting into the wind, then so be it,
· Called 'intolerant', ‘hateful’ or 'homophobic' (which in and of itself is ridiculous because fear has nothing to do with it. I am merely ‘gay-marriage opposed’), It has happened before, but I have to say what I believe must be said, to those that have an ear, and to those who do not.
· Ignored, well what else is new? The people REALLY wanted Barabbas, and they got him all right. (No I am NOT saying or implying that the President-Elect is Barabbas, merely making a reference)
For those of us who are called to preach/teach the Word and endorsed either Senator McCain or Sen. Obama for President, in all seriousness I say REPENT!
From the London Times...
Barack Obama asked gay bishop Gene Robinson what it was like to be 'first'
Barack Obama sought out controversial gay bishop Gene Robinson not just once but three times during his campaign to become President of the United States, The Times can reveal.(By the way, why couldn't (or wouldn't) they reveal this before???)
Bishop Robinson, the 80-million strong Anglican Communion's only openly gay bishop whose consecration in 2003 has left the Anglican Communion on the brink of schism, was sought out by Mr Obama to discuss what it feels like to be "first".
Bishop Robinson, who received death threats after his election as Bishop of New Hampshire and was advised by police to wear a bullet-proof vest at his consecration, also discussed with Mr Obama the risks incumbent upon being a high-profile leader in a country such as the US.
Bishop Robinson, in London as a guest of the gay rights group Stonewall for its annual "Hero of the Year" awards dinner at the Victoria and Albert Museum tonight, said that Mr Obama's campaign team had sought him last year and he had the "honour" of three private conversations with the future president of the United States last May and June.
Bishop Robinson said: 'The first words out of his mouth were, 'Well you're certainly causing a lot of trouble!' My response to him was, 'Well that makes two of us!'
He said that Mr Obama had indicated his support for equal civil rights for gay and lesbian people and described the election as a "religious experience".
Bishop Robinson described his conversations with him as part of Mr Obama's "extraordinary" outreach to all religious communities, not just Christian groups. Mr Obama, although not a member of The Episcopal Church to which Bishop Robinson belongs, is a committed Christian with the United Church of Christ.
'He certainly indicated his broad and deep support for the full civil rights for gay and lesbian people but frankly we talked more about - I pressed him on the Millennium Development Goals. I wanted to know whether he thought more about them than just they were a good idea but whether he had any intention of pushing for their full funding and so on.'
The Newspaper article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5100064.ece
Full interview:
http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2008/11/barack-obama-an.html
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Righteousness before Political Correctness
Holiness before Convenience &
The Word of God before our Opinions
So, the President Elect says that he is against gay marriage in public, (but for 'civil union') but then tells ‘Bishop’ Gene Robinson that he is for equal civil rights for gay people. Who is lying, Mr. Obama or Mr. Robinson?
Mind you, this is not a semantics argument. Marriage is, according to the gay community, and every court that has ruled on it so far, a 'civil right', so clearly Mr. Obama did, (if he did say these things), by choosing those words, voice his clear support of gay marriage, adoption et al.
This does make sense in that the United Church of Christ (UCC) boasts among its 'firsts' :
1972: Ordination of first openly gay minister
The UCC's Golden Gate Association ordains the first openly gay person as a minister in a mainline Protestant denomination: the Rev. William R. Johnson. In the following three decades, General Synod urges equal rights for homosexual citizens and calls on congregations to welcome gay, lesbian and bisexual members.
So after 20 years of UCC doctrine and black liberation theology and Lord knows what else for good measure, Mr. Obama’s theological positions are, to be mild, ‘less than Christian’ (see my previous post ‘Will an Obama presidency close your church?’ For more about this) despite his claims.
Does this make him a hypocrite? Possibly, though more likely, he has been mis-educated about the faith he professes. That is the fault of the Pastors and preachers that he has been exposed to.
This is important brethren, for a plethora of reasons, not the least of which is as I have been saying; the long term ramifications on the church as we know it, of an Obama Presidency. This for me is not about Barack Obama personally, and not about Homosexuality per se.
But it is about the lack of a Biblical worldview in the church, and the resultant blindness, the real depth of which has yet to be seen.
If I am:
· Shouting into the wind, then so be it,
· Called 'intolerant', ‘hateful’ or 'homophobic' (which in and of itself is ridiculous because fear has nothing to do with it. I am merely ‘gay-marriage opposed’), It has happened before, but I have to say what I believe must be said, to those that have an ear, and to those who do not.
· Ignored, well what else is new? The people REALLY wanted Barabbas, and they got him all right. (No I am NOT saying or implying that the President-Elect is Barabbas, merely making a reference)
For those of us who are called to preach/teach the Word and endorsed either Senator McCain or Sen. Obama for President, in all seriousness I say REPENT!
From the London Times...
Barack Obama asked gay bishop Gene Robinson what it was like to be 'first'
Barack Obama sought out controversial gay bishop Gene Robinson not just once but three times during his campaign to become President of the United States, The Times can reveal.(By the way, why couldn't (or wouldn't) they reveal this before???)
Bishop Robinson, the 80-million strong Anglican Communion's only openly gay bishop whose consecration in 2003 has left the Anglican Communion on the brink of schism, was sought out by Mr Obama to discuss what it feels like to be "first".
Bishop Robinson, who received death threats after his election as Bishop of New Hampshire and was advised by police to wear a bullet-proof vest at his consecration, also discussed with Mr Obama the risks incumbent upon being a high-profile leader in a country such as the US.
Bishop Robinson, in London as a guest of the gay rights group Stonewall for its annual "Hero of the Year" awards dinner at the Victoria and Albert Museum tonight, said that Mr Obama's campaign team had sought him last year and he had the "honour" of three private conversations with the future president of the United States last May and June.
Bishop Robinson said: 'The first words out of his mouth were, 'Well you're certainly causing a lot of trouble!' My response to him was, 'Well that makes two of us!'
He said that Mr Obama had indicated his support for equal civil rights for gay and lesbian people and described the election as a "religious experience".
Bishop Robinson described his conversations with him as part of Mr Obama's "extraordinary" outreach to all religious communities, not just Christian groups. Mr Obama, although not a member of The Episcopal Church to which Bishop Robinson belongs, is a committed Christian with the United Church of Christ.
'He certainly indicated his broad and deep support for the full civil rights for gay and lesbian people but frankly we talked more about - I pressed him on the Millennium Development Goals. I wanted to know whether he thought more about them than just they were a good idea but whether he had any intention of pushing for their full funding and so on.'
The Newspaper article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5100064.ece
Full interview:
http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2008/11/barack-obama-an.html
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Righteousness before Political Correctness
Holiness before Convenience &
The Word of God before our Opinions
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